Surprising Seagull SD discovery

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby mick r » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:27 pm

RE. Does anyone know here the correct name for the Green Paint applied to flywheel?

IRR GREEN SATIN LRC553.
A traditional single part Synthetic Coach Enamel paint. This was used by the Army, RAF, & Royal Navy, occasionally over-painting NATO Green Gloss.

May or may not be the correct answer.

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby tambikeboy » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:49 pm

Try humbrol (86) matt :twisted:
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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby Charles uk » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:51 pm

I've seen 6 or 7 examples of SD's displaying varying amounts of "army green" paint & they all appeared to be slightly different shades of Army green, I doubt very much if there ever was an exact specification for this colour.

Mauriziopiras, I think when Hugz asked what the extension tiller arm was made of, he meant the black tube in the bottom of your box.

Could you let us know if there is a JM number on the magneto base plate & whether it's the same as the flywheel JM number?
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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby Horsley-Anarak » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:56 pm

I would think the paint colour is standard olive drab.

https://paintman.co.uk/shop/olive-drab-matt/ or https://militaryvehiclepaint.co.uk/index.php
used for decades by the British Army.

Interesting find Is the box date AUG 1945 ?

VE day was 8th May 1945, so if the crate was painted in August 1945 that was after victory in Europe, so would have arrived in Italy a few week later overland via Calais.

Who were C D P and Co Ltd ? I would not think that army issue equipment would need the have company branding perhaps.

I thought the carry handle was a later item http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/no ... sories.jpg

I cant see 2 soldiers carrying an SD, when it must weigh less than a Bren gun.

This is a fantastic find in Italy, but I feel that the important research needs to be about "C D P & Co Ltd" who were they ?

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby Oyster 49 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:20 pm

The tank has GDP on it, and we have seen that before, if I recall from engines found in the Netherlands. Didn’t we come up with a theory 6 or 7 years ago that this could be some sort of post war assistance programme. Is the C on the box a G?

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby seagull101 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:49 pm

Chas is probably right about the paint not being specific now i think of it. I own grey fergie tractors and are early- mid 50's and i know that the paint used in the ferguson factory was all leftover battleship paint and there were probably at least 10 different shades used.

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby tambikeboy » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:53 pm

Read the book 50 shades of gray no fergies or battleships mentioned :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby Hugz » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:33 am

Ok. Two more questions for registry. Does she have the CIESS skeg stamp and what material is the carburetor float bowl lid?

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby mauriziopiras » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:13 pm

Yes, it has CIESS skeg stamp. I will post a photo if the skeg stamp.
Carb float bowl lid is ali made.
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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby AusAnzani » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:24 am

mick r wrote:RE. Does anyone know here the correct name for the Green Paint applied to flywheel?

IRR GREEN SATIN LRC553.
A traditional single part Synthetic Coach Enamel paint. This was used by the Army, RAF, & Royal Navy, occasionally over-painting NATO Green Gloss.

May or may not be the correct answer.


Thank you Mick R.

not quite what I was expecting (eg Defence Green, Olive Drab etc) but it will set me in the right direction.

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby AusAnzani » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:36 am

Charles uk wrote:I've seen 6 or 7 examples of SD's displaying varying amounts of "army green" paint & they all appeared to be slightly different shades of Army green, I doubt very much if there ever was an exact specification for this colour.

Mauriziopiras, I think when Hugz asked what the extension tiller arm was made of, he meant the black tube in the bottom of your box.

Could you let us know if there is a JM number on the magneto base plate & whether it's the same as the flywheel JM number?


Hi Charles,

If it is an Olive Drab as suggested by HA, it will vary significantly eg from green to brown, subject to lighting. I've had no end of matching paint for my Commando for that very reason.

I've also been told by some in the paint trade that Drab colors cannot be computer recognised and matched. To that end, matching is often done by eye, and that of course can lead to further variation.

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby AusAnzani » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:41 am

I am loving this SD more and more.

Tank decal, carry handle, bronze skeletal bracket (albeit top section looks a little different to the usual), markings on the crate etc etc.

I'll leave it to you guys to explain those things and how they fit in with what we know eg is it wartime or post war?

Great find Maurizio!

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby Sandro Picchio » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:34 pm

Really great find!
I fullheartedly envie you Maurizio, as I am from Lago Maggiore and interested in old engines.
Congratulazioni!

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Re: Surprising Seagull SD discovery

Postby mauriziopiras » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Hi Sandro,

It was a lucky find. This kind of engins is not so common in Italy.
In the last days I saw a splendid De Giorgi - Varazze bicilindric outboard. I want it!!!!
Mi fa piacere condividere questa passione.
Per scambiare qualche opinione sentiamoci anche via mail. La mia mail è mau.pir@tiscali.it

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