Poll to illustrate buying prices of FV's, & FVP's.

[Charles uk]

Is it marked for pitch & diameter ?

[charlesp]

Yes that manual does indeed refer to a shear pin. My copy - "provisional" like the others - is annotated by an owner in pencil; he amended the bit about the shear pin to read "Spring and washer"

This is a further indication that the motor in the photograph isn't an SD. Naturally it does nothing to bolster my thesis that the model illustrated is an SN, but that's pretty usual in British Seagull illustrations. That same photograph is used in the 1944 issue of the handbook, by which time the reference to a shear pin has gone, replaced as expected by reference to the operation of the spring. By the middle of 1944 the SD production was well established, you would expect the manual to use illustrations of the actual machine the reader was expecting to use, but not so.

Here's a slightly expanded version of the "early Seagulls" list that is featured on the main site. It includes extra detail. I got the original from a long serving Seagull chap.

Funnily enough the chart was proffered during a conversation about the introduction of the prop spring, as a handy reference for me. The line drawn under the "R" corresponding to the ON represented the cut-off date; after this it was all spring drives; the exception being those ADP motors referred to at the bottom.

Please don't ask what the letters actually represent - I'm hoping your ideas may fill those gaps!

The almost invisible pencil marks on the top half (Marstons) refer to the complete non-availability of spares.

The marks below that line tell us that at the time of typing only some spares were available for short water jacket models.

I hope that helps regarding the spring or rubber buffer debate.

[Charles uk]

Thanks for that Charles.

As that was typed many years after Marston moved on, I have had doubts about how correct it was.

For instance the OB was included in almost every Marston brochure printed from 1931 to 36 & my researches show that at least 85 were manufactured, possibly in greater numbers than a couple of the other models on that list.
So a few produced for "salmon fisheries - never went into production" poses a few questions.

[AusAnzani]

Not sure if it's been brought up already, but I wouldn't be surprised if the high cost of spare parts is acting to drive up pricing of complete outboards.

[Keith.P]

I wouldn't think so, the sun comes out and the prices go up, that's pretty much normal, parts have always been more expensive as certain parts are getting harder to find, but when you start seeing Seabee's and other common motors for £100, you know its not going to sell, but other people use that as a bench mark and try their luck.
But if you need one part to finish off a motor, you don't always have much choice put to pay the price.

[Charles uk]

Before this thread got slightly highjacked, we were trying to establish the approximate buying price of FV's & FVP's, but it seems that we are getting few or no replys from anyone who obtained one in the last 18 months, there are at least 6 & possibly 10 in New Zealand & there should be the same or more in Australia & there must be a few in the US.
3 locations where the buy price would be expected to average £100+.

So I think it's safe to assume that the picture this poll is painting is not quite in full technicolour.
So please read the little 40 portion of this thread for entertainment & not education, it was a good try, sorry we didn't get a wider spread of answers.

[Adrian Dale]

Hi Charles this was posted yesterday, it is reported to be the auction price for an FV. This should resurrect this post and perhaps spur a few more prices. AJ


Quote "No jeremy never got it sold for £49 was away working as aution ended thank,s"

[headdownarseup]

according to my sources it was an FVP not an FV.

nice all the same
i actually put a couple of bids in to test the water but by then the price had rocketed past what i wanted to pay for it.
better luck next time i guess

jon

[Keith.P]

I saw that, a late FVP by the looks of it, clamp on gearbox, not screw on and the original fuel pipe missing, other than that it looked all original.

[phil]

IIRC the first year Seagulls were available in Canada or the U.S. was 1953, we see very few LS motors, but I have never seen or heard of an FV or FVP over this side. There have been no members in the AOMCI that have one to the best of my knowledge. We all know about the OB in the U.S. and there are at least a few SD and SDPs scattered around. I think the only chance of any FV or FVP getting over here before '53 would be by ex-pats bringing one along or someone getting one shipped more recently.

Don't know what the situation may have been in Oz or NZ.

[Adrian Dale]

Charles coming back to this post with an update from the colonies,

The FV I picked up last week was $406 or 170 pounds +- I think that would be a fairly true price for Australia as against the very low and rather misleading average in the survey. I am not able to add it into the table though as I already entered a very low price for one I picked up in the UK, which was seized, last August. That engine is now back in Tasmania and running, just waiting for a prop to complete the job.

AJ