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[Collector Inspector]

If the bracket is correct...........what may this be then?

I can not make out the engine prefix.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seagull-Vint ... 1e98d7056f

Ebay # 131413247343

I am not interested in it by the way.

Cheers

B

[Keith.P]

Not that clear, looks like either an AD or on S under the A, something like that.

[Rob Ripley]

Here's another one ... http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-1955 ... 1e98bc7dad

[THCL500J8]

Two more

LLS and TC

I love the after christmas sales,


Now If only i could find a kingfisher or a 75 or 80 that was not in england

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Two-British- ... 4d2c9d3a04

[headdownarseup]

The first 102 is a better buy than the second! (its more accurate in its parts) a late model AD

The second one is a similare age as the first, but the lower leg is from either an SD or very early (pre 1950) AD. A "bitsa" in other words with a bowtie prop.

They've both got potential though.

jon

[croweater]

Question for the experts (wise ones) you will probably think I’m nuts but I’m interested in the second motor.

The first motor is a non-runner and the tank is shot but looks complete and original.

The second motor runs has a clean tank and straps I can see the fuel and water lines need to be replaced the wing nut is missing
on the tiller the exhaust flange and gearbox casing are wrong is there anything else visually wrong with it?

Gearboxes when did they change from nipple sided to round holed intake to the slotted intake? also when did the exhaust flanges
change from square to round outlet?

I’ve looked around and can’t find any reference material so a restorer/collector knows what he is buying/restoring is cosmetically
correct, has there ever been a reference guide brought out at some time? What I have found the photos are not very clear guess it’s
all part of the challenge.

John

[headdownarseup]

hi JOHN
Where to start with this?

OK------gearboxes with nipples started to get phased out as "wartime parts" were running out, so basically all 102's made from 1946 and before 1950 (possibly late 49) had the straight out the back exhaust outlet (as per SD/SDP and some of the straight leg marston's) the wartime gearbox with nipples and the SD style prop that had the swept back 2 bladed prop.
Basically everything on the lower leg was the same spec as the war motors. (powerheads are different on wartime motors to peacetime motors)

At around 1950 we see the introduction of the horridly named "sub ejector" pump housing with a different exhaust outlet (points downwards at about 40 degrees) so quite easy to spot the difference. There are also some slight differences in spec to watch out for. From late 1950 (ish) just about all the gearboxes have lost their nipples but still retain 3 sets of 3 holes in the water inlet (9 in total except for some of the plus sized gearboxes which have 6 in a row and a massive 13" prop so you can't really miss that one)
Also on most of the pre1950 motors you wont be able to see this unless you dissmanlte the pump housing from the gearbox. Provided your 102 hasn't been "played with" too much, you should find a bronze bushing fitted in the bottom edge of the drive tube (look on the outside of this and you'll see an oil nipple in the pump housing) Some 102's at around late 49 still have the straight out back exhaust outlet but NO NIPPLE on the pump housing. Occasionally you see this oil nipple blanked off.
The SD prop is discontinued from the line up and replaced with the "bowtie" prop (can't really miss this one as they look just like a bow tie, hence the name) and is shortly followed by the later 4 bladed prop (hydrofan 9")

At around 1957 (thereabouts) the "holey" water inlets on the gearboxes are re-designed as 2 slots. Props seem to continue with the 4 bladed hydrofan right up till the proposed cut off date in the early 1970's.
Pumphousings change again slightly in the late 1960's for a slightly thinner casting which has a slot cut into it for the clutch rod, whereas all the older ones just had a hole drilled through which the clutch rod passed through.
But as we all know, seagulls being what they are have a strange way of "changing". (many many different parts will fit all sorts)

Going by the pics of the second motor you wish to purchase JOHN, from what i can see it looks like 2 motors have been stripped to make 1 good one (a bitsa)
Still an interesting motor in its own right. (i have nothing against "bitsa's" myself, but for authenticity's sake, everything should be kept to original specs really)

By the way, your NOT NUTS! just afflicted with the same condition that i have. Seagullitis 102maximus (of which there is no known cure)

Anything else you'd like to know, pm me if you like and i'll fill in the gaps.


JON

[AusAnzani]

Hello all,

What are your thoughts on the TC in the 3rd advert. Is is accurate or also a bitsa? If it's a bitsa, whats been changed and whats needed to bring it back to original?

Regards,

[headdownarseup]

Looks good to me (i'd buy it if it wasn't the other side of the world)

you'll only know if it's right or wrong when it's in front of you!

jon

[Collector Inspector]

The TC looks OK to me.

You need a bigger shed Mate!

At least it is not an example so rare and increasing in value because there is an example in a road side museum aye?

Ebay Item 191498630176

B

[croweater]

Thanks Jon 102’s seem to have so many variations should be expected as they must’ve made them for over 40
years. I have a couple of 102’s both in very poor condition yesterday I dragged them out of the shed one is a
1952/53 I thought it was a bitsa the leg would be ok for AD48108 (above) easy fix or maybe I should try and get
this one going, it’s got a sub ejector.

Seagullitis wife thinks it’s something else way worse Seagulls are a minor infection.

Wife organised a skip bin so I could clean up the shed and yard, I bought a chain saw and put an apple tree in
it told her there’s another 5 trees that need to be pruned 

John

[headdownarseup]

"so many variations"
you're not kidding!
i don't think i've even scratched the surface yet?

put up some pics of what you want to do and we'll go from there.

jon

[AusAnzani]

Thanks Jon & Bruce, appreciate the advice.

Bidding war between 2 other guys drove price up way too high considering one of the two (the LLS) was siezed. Pickep up 2 x 102's earlier in the week (AD16381 1950-51 and TD80633 1961-62) and an early Australian Evenride (yep, that spelling is correct) so not overly fussed about missing these. It's probably a good thing actually as I already have too many others sitting around waiting for some love.

Regards,

[Collector Inspector]

"Pickep up 2 x 102's earlier in the week (AD16381 1950-51 and TD80633 1961-62) and an early Australian Evenride"

Very Pleased

B

[headdownarseup]

Pics AND DATA (please) every little bit helps. (still a long way to go with this)
pm me if you need help with the data.

jon